Unplugged Interview


Donated by Deb Beaton.
Guitar World June 1993.
In a world exclusive interview, Eric Clapton talks about the triumph and tragedy behind his acoustic masterpiece, Unplugged.
By Alex Coletti.


As producer of MTV's Unplugged, Alex Coletti is often asked by fans of the
show to pinpoint what it was about Eric Clapton's performance on the show that
made it so special.  Other episodes of the program have been terrific; some
have been genuinely exceptional.  But Clapton's appearance has already
attained the level of myth-and people want to know why. 

	"Eric Clapton," explains Coletti, "was 'unplugged' in more ways than one 
at that performance.  There, in front of a large studio audience-and later an
enormous MTV and record-buying audience-an artist who is know to be very shy
dealt with the most painful experience anyone could ever imagine-the tragic
loss of his son, Conor." Clapton looked his grief "square in the eye," notes
Coletti, performing not only "Tears In Heaven," but "Father's Eyes" and
"Circus Left Town," two songs which deal with his loss in similarly stark, 
powerful terms.  (While "Father's Eyes" didn't make the final versions of the
show or album, it will probably appear on Clapton's next studio release.)

	Coletti believes that the unique intimacy afforded by the Unplugged 
format made it the ideal place for Clapton "to unplug his soul for us with
such great dignity and grace." The guitarist also used the warm environment of
the show to "teach his listeners a lesson in music history, not only
introducing a generation of MTV viewers to a world of country blues songs, but
also demonstrating that a man with an acoustic guitar can seriously rock out."

	In a larger sense, Clapton's achievement can be explained in terms of 
something even more powerful than anything described above: the power of love
and memory.  Rock and roll guitarists, like baseball players, welders and
housewives, are often masters of the art of denial.  Not Eric Clapton.  He is
a devoted servant of his memory, and he clearly remembers everything.  His
incredible performance on Unplugged was fed by some of his most powerful
recollections-and loves.  His set list tells the story: country blues tunes he
played in his youth, reworkings of songs from Layla, his most passionately
romantic album, new compositions about his lost son. 

	Hours before his Unplugged performance, Eric Clapton met with Alex 
Coletti on a darkened stage, and provided some background to the memories he
was about to celebrate so beautifully for the millions. 

ALEX COLETTI: Eric, how did you come to compose the opening instrumental,
"Signe"? 

ERIC CLAPTON: It was written on a boat of the same name last year.  I was on
holiday with my manager and we chartered Signe, a beautiful yacht.  It was a
difficult time in my life, and I was writing to heal myself.  "Signe" was the
first thing I started to write.  It's just a melody which I dedicated to and
named after the boat. 

COLETTI: Why did you decide to perform Bo Diddley's "Before You Accuse Me"? 

CLAPTON: That was one of the very first records I ever heard.  I think it was
on an album that also featured "Hey Bo Diddley," "I'm A Man," "Bring It To
Jerome" and lots of other good things.  [Ed.  Note: All four songs are
available on the Bo Diddley Box (Chess/MCA).] I chose "Before You Accuse Me"
because it's a straight blues, and can be played any way you like, which is
great.  I play it live with electric guitar, and I thought it would be nice to
try it on the two acoustics as well. 

COLETTI: It seems that whenever you decide to perform a cover version of a
song, they become your songs-people forget the originals. 

CLAPTON: Well, I hope that's the case.  I heard most of the cover songs in
this set when I was very young, and I've always wanted to play them.  This was
a great opportunity for me to pay homage to the things that originally
influenced me. 
	For example, "Hey Hey" was written by Big Bill Broonzy, and it was 
probably the first blues song I ever heard.  I used to play it in pubs when I
was very young.  I never felt that I mastered it, so I wanted to give it
another shot. 

COLETTI: Tell me about the writing process for "Tears In Heaven."

CLAPTON: It was written for the film Rush.  The timing was perfect, because
they needed a song about loss and I had plenty of them.  "Tears In Heaven" was
actually in a very embryonic stage when I was approached and I completed it
for Rush.  I needed the film to finish it, because otherwise I probably would
have let it go.  It was also a good opportunity for me to write about the loss
of my son, and have somewhere to put it-to channel it-because it didn't look
like I was going into the studio in the near future.  I really wanted to be
able to say something about what happened to me and the opportunity that this
movie presented me was excellent, because it meant that I could write this
song and express my feelings and have it come out quickly. 
	After the song was done, I thought that it would be nice to put it out as a 
single as well.  There were other songs like it, of course, but that was the
one. 

COLETTI: The availability of the film footage from Rush for the video of
"Tears In Heaven" must have also made the whole thing easier for you.  You
didn't have to deal with creating potentially painful original visuals. 

CLAPTON: Yeah.  I didn't want a theme video for that.  I just really wanted to
perform it, and I think that was the original idea [for the video], but when
they intercut the film footage it gave it much more of a message-a lot more
feeling. 

COLETTI: "The Circus Left Town" is one of several new songs you debuted on 
Unplugged. What can you tell us about it?

CLAPTON: Some of the songs are still in a very early stage of development, but
they will be on a record someday.  "The Circus Left Town" is about my son and
the last night I spent with him, which was, in fact, at the circus. 
It's....there's not much I can say about it except that these songs helped me
get through a very hard patch in my life and I wanted to make them public.  In
fact, my performance on MTV was the first time they were played publicly in
any form. 

COLETTI: If these songs are part of a healing process, does playing them in
front of people further that process? 

CLAPTON: Yes.  I think that with what happened to me last year-the loss of my
son-my audience would have been very surprised if I didn't make some reference
to it.  And I wouldn't want to insult them by not sharing my grief with them
in some way.  So I do intend to make these things known and I will play the
songs in concert and put them on record.  It is a healing process for me, and
I think it's important to share that with people who love your music. 

COLETTI: Is "Lonely Stranger" part of this "healing process" song cycle? 

CLAPTON: Sort of.  I wrote that in Los Angeles while I was doing the score for
Rush, and I was just very lonely in L.A.-I felt like an English exile trying
to beat the odds.  You can get a lot of very strange vibrations coming in from
the outside and doing something with the film industry.  I really wrote that
song to try to kind of cheer myself up. 

COLETTI: Tell me about "My Father's Eyes."

CLAPTON: It was another song I wrote on holiday last year, when I had a kind
of revelation about my son.  It's a very personal matter, but I never met my
father, and I realized that the closest I ever came to looking in my father's
eyes was when I looked into my son's eyes.  So I wrote this song about that. 
It's a strange kind of cycle thing that occurred to me, and another thing I
felt I would like to share.  That's how that song came about. 

COLETTI: You recorded "Nobody Knows You When You're Down And Out" on the Layla
album, and again now.  What is the song's history? 

CLAPTON: That's an old Bessie Smith song, which goes back to 1910 or 1915.  I
heard an English guy play it in the pubs when I was 14 or 15, and I learned it
and played it around the pubs, myself.  It was part of my early, early
repertoire.  In fact, it was one of the first songs I felt I could sing
because it was very melodramatic and I could put all this angst into it.  I
did also do it with Derek And The Dominos, but this is the way I originally
did it with the acoustic guitar. 

COLETTI: When was the last time you played it this way? 

CLAPTON: Oh God-maybe 30 years ago. 

COLETTI: You also did an arrangement of "Layla" that is very different from
the original. 

CLAPTON: Yeah.  "Layla" sort of mystified me.  I've done it the same all these
years, and never considered trying to revamp it, the way a lot of artists
might.  Bob Dylan, for instance, changes everything every time he plays a
song.  I thought this was a great opportunity to just take "Layla" off on a
different path and put it to a shuffle.  For a start, making it acoustic
denied all the riffs-which I think would have really sounded a bit weak on the
acoustic.  So it just seemed to naturally become jazzier.  And, of course, I'm
singing it a whole octave down, which gives it a nice atmosphere. 

COLETTI: Did you experiment with the arrangement? 

CLAPTON: Well, [second guitarist] Andy Fairweather Low and myself were at my
house doing some pre-rehearsal rehearsal for this and I just picked up the
guitar and said, "What do you think of this?" And it just happened-it clicked
straight away.  So we kept it like that. 

COLETTI: "Running On Faith" was on Journeyman. 

CLAPTON: Yeah.  Jerry Lynn Williams wrote that, and I'd heard him play it on
piano and on acoustic and electric and a lot of different ways and
arrangements, so I knew that the song was easily adaptable.  So that made it
an obvious song to do.  I also wanted to include it because it's a regular
part of my stage repertoire and thus fairly well-known. 

COLETTI: It was good to see you play dobro. 

CLAPTON: Yeah.  I played one on the record.  I usually don't play it on stage,
so that was another opportunity-this program is great to give me these
opportunities to do things that I've always done at home but don't do on
stage. 

COLETTI: Do you often play slide at home? 

CLAPTON: Not so much actually, but I would like to play more slide, and I
think it's something you have to be careful with on an electric.  I mean it is
ideally suited for acoustic guitar, and all of my original heroes played the
slide and bottleneck, so maybe it's something I'll get into again. 

COLETTI: Speaking of original heroes, you played Robert Johnson's "Walking
Blues."

CLAPTON: It is, but I've turned it into a hybrid song, really.  I borrowed the
guitar part from one of the first Muddy Waters songs I ever heard, called
"Feel Like Going Home," then I superimposed Robert Johnson's lyrics.  It's
sort of my simultaneous tribute to both of them.  It's a piece I've played
since I was 14, but I only recently decided to start singing it. 

COLETTI: Speaking of singing, the sound of your voice really penetrates in an
acoustic setting.  Are you feeling more comfortable vocally? 

CLAPTON: I often enjoy singing in an acoustic setting more than an amplified
one.  When you're on stage with an electric band going through a massive p.a. 
system, it's very artificial.  You can't really hear your own voice as it
comes out of your mouth.  You have to depend on the loudspeakers and monitors.
So it's such a joy to to sing with a full band acoustically and be able to
hear your voice; I find it so much easier to adjust the volume of my own
voice.  Here, I could sing quietly, which allows me to have more dynamic
range. 

COLETTI: What are the origins of the song "Alberta"? 

CLAPTON: It's an old Snooks Eaglin song, which is, again, something I heard
when I was very young.  Snooks Eaglin's Street Singer album was an important
part of my record collection.  He was a great, great player and singer who
recorded on the streets of New Orleans.  The variety of his repertoire was
absolutely amazing, but that song "Alberta" was accessible to me as a
beginning guitar player, because it consists of three chords and just straight
strumming.  It just lodged in my head as a very sentimental song, and part of
my early influences. 
	By the way, Snooks is still active, but he's indoors now; he doesn't work 
the streets anymore.  He works in clubs and makes very good records. 
[Editor's note: Eaglin's last two albums, Out Of Nowhere and Teasin' You are
both available on Black Top Records.] He's a great artist. 

COLETTI: What inspired you to do "San Francisco Bay Blues"? 

CLAPTON: I don't know.  I've heard several versions of it, but the first one I
heard was performed by Jesse Fuller-and it was Jesse Fuller as a one-man band.
He had two bass drums, a foot bass, harmonica, kazoos and a great, big
12-string guitar.  It was one of those songs he played in pubs to get free
beer, so it's very accessible on a sing-along level.  I just wanted to do this
song because it's never gone away-just like "Hey Hey" and "Alberta." These
songs have never left my head; they're always there in a part of my life. 

COLETTI: You concluded the MTV set with another Robert Johnson song,
"Malted Milk."

CLAPTON: "Malted Milk" is a peculiar song.  It's very ironic, because it's
quite clear that it's not malted milk he's referring to throughout the song. 
It came from a period where Robert was changing his style, and it sounds to me
like he came across Lonnie Johnson in his travels.  There was a massive shift
in his style of accompaniment and his style of singing. 
	I've never approached this song before-and probably wouldn't have if I 
hadn't had this opportunity to try it out.  It's a very beautiful song and
it's very simple and I wanted to end the set with it because it sort of brings
it back home for me. 

COLETTI: So is Robert the first influence? 

CLAPTON: He's the most important influence I've had in my life and always will
be, I think. 

COLETTI: Did you start out playing an acoustic? 

CLAPTON: The first guitar I ever had was a gut-string Spanish guitar, and I
couldn't really get the hang of it.  I was only 13, and I talked my
grandparents into buying it for me.  I tried and tried and tried, but got
nowhere with it.  I finally gave up after a year-and-a-half.  I started
getting interested in the guitar again after hearing Muddy Waters, because it
sounded like it was easier-wrong! 
[laughs] I wanted an electric guitar and, again, I talked my grandparents into 
buying me one.  And, actually, within a very short period of time I got
somewhere with it. 
	So I had two starts, really. However, the second time around I bumped 
into people who had the same interests-who liked Muddy Waters, Little Walter,
Big Bill Broonzy, Robert Johnson.  And those people I bumped into were the
original Yardbirds; we used to play together a lot at parties and ended up
forming an official band.  That was really when I became a professional; it
was within a very short amount of time. 

COLETTI: I'd never seen you play finger-style prior to this performance.  Is
this a new development? 

CLAPTON: I did play a lot of finger-style when I first started playing.  I
could never really find the right combination of flatpick or fingerpick so
playing fingerstyle is really the easiest way-though it's quite strenuous on
the fingertips.  I think you get a nice tone that way; I wouldn't mind trying
it on electric.  There is a beautiful sound to be gained from the actual touch
of the finger to the string, but that requires a lot of dexterity.  Mark
Knopfler's got it and Stevie Ray had it, but I haven't done it for along time.
It's something I just recently started to work on again. 

COLETTI: Is that why you're soaking your fingertips as we speak? 

CLAPTON: You need surgical spirits to harden them up and witch hazel to take
the sting out.  That's the deal. 

COLETTI: I was a little bit surprised that you decided to use your whole band.

CLAPTON: When we came in for rehearsals I wasn't sure what I'd do- whether it
should just be me solo or with another guitar and/or bass.  So we tried it a
couple of days with everyone and I thought we'd whittle the band down through
process of elimination and say, "Well that's nice but it's not quite right."
And keep going like that until it sounded right.  But everyone had such a nice
touch and they all managed to restrain themselves.  I think it's a great
experience in self-restraint and discipline.  I mean, guys like [drummer]
Steve Ferrone very rarely play this quietly.  Anyhow, everyone held back, so I
ended using almost everyone on almost everything, and I think it still sounds
good. 

COLETTI: Prior to your own appearance, had you been aware of the show
Unplugged? 

CLAPTON: The only time I was really aware of it was a couple of years ago when
I was in America and saw Don Henley do it.  I also caught a bit of Hall &
Oates singing [the Beatles'] "Don't Let Me Down," which was great.  Since I
thought I'd like to do the show one day, sort of avoided watching it-I didn't
want to be influenced by the way other people approached it.  So I In fact,
someone sent me a tape of Elton John on the show and I refused to watch it,
because it was getting close to me doing the show and I didn't want to be
influenced.  I wanted to do it as if it were brand new.  I don't know how my
show will tally in with others, but we'll see. 


Copyright © 1993 by Harris Publications, Inc.